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		<title>By: daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.divinemind.biz/blog/2009/09/15/yogurt-thickening-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-1173</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 02:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just add whey protein and casein 2:1 ratio till you get 45g/lt total protein in your milk, then add the starter and voila</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just add whey protein and casein 2:1 ratio till you get 45g/lt total protein in your milk, then add the starter and voila</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.divinemind.biz/blog/2009/09/15/yogurt-thickening-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 23:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find my yogurt made from unheated pasteurized milk (nonfat, 2% and whole milk) to be smooth but thin and it does separate into a whey layer when chilled and stored in the refrigerator. My solution is to heat to 180 F for 30 minutes as rec&#039;d by several authors. It is my understanding that the casein proteins change shape during extended heating and promote a better texture and contribute gelling power to the yougurt after the culturing process is complete. I find the gum thickened yogurts to have an objectionable mouthfeel and stickiness that the unthickened yogurt avoids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find my yogurt made from unheated pasteurized milk (nonfat, 2% and whole milk) to be smooth but thin and it does separate into a whey layer when chilled and stored in the refrigerator. My solution is to heat to 180 F for 30 minutes as rec&#8217;d by several authors. It is my understanding that the casein proteins change shape during extended heating and promote a better texture and contribute gelling power to the yougurt after the culturing process is complete. I find the gum thickened yogurts to have an objectionable mouthfeel and stickiness that the unthickened yogurt avoids.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting paper. This one is Industrial Yogurt Manufacture: Monitoring of Fermentation Process and Improvement of Final Product Quality and can be found at http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022030207700759. 

Much of it was difficult for me to decipher but I found the following useful tidbits.

&quot;yogurt prepared with unheated or inadequately heat-treated milk, is characterized by poor texture, weak gel and firmness, and increased susceptibility against wheying off.&quot; They tested two heat treatments: 80°C (176F) for 30 min or 95°C (203F) for 10 min. Much longer than I have yet done.

&quot;Generally, the addition of 2% of protein concentrates is considered adequate for amending the textural quality of yogurt.&quot;

&quot;The size of the inoculum was set at 2.5% (wt/wt).&quot; So they added about 0.8 oz of starter to 1 qt of milk.

&quot;Sensory evaluation revealed that the use of skim milk significantly improved (P &lt; 0.001) all of the examined quality characteristics. Non-fat yogurts were characterized by a firm, consistent, and viscous texture. Moreover, non-fat yogurts exhibited enhanced flavor and they were also rated as more palatable. Brauss et al. (1999) observed that low fat yogurts (0.2% fat) release volatiles more quickly and at higher intensity but with less persistence than whole fat yogurts.&quot; So they claim skim milk produces the best tasting yogurt. 

&quot;Thus, yogurts fortified with SMP had enhanced firmness and consistency, good mouthfeel performance, and were less prone to syneresis.&quot; So adding 2% skim milk powder (dry non-fat milk) improved things all round.

&quot;In general, xanthan gum had the best stabilizing effect, enhancing firmness and consistency without developing brittleness or excessive gumminess. Moreover, xanthan addition prevented the wheying off defect.&quot; They added it at 0.01% and clearly specified that was by weight. 

Finally, &quot;Skim yogurts containing skim milk powder or xanthan gum were found to be the most acceptable samples in terms of sensory quality.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting paper. This one is Industrial Yogurt Manufacture: Monitoring of Fermentation Process and Improvement of Final Product Quality and can be found at <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022030207700759" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022030207700759</a>. </p>
<p>Much of it was difficult for me to decipher but I found the following useful tidbits.</p>
<p>&#8220;yogurt prepared with unheated or inadequately heat-treated milk, is characterized by poor texture, weak gel and firmness, and increased susceptibility against wheying off.&#8221; They tested two heat treatments: 80°C (176F) for 30 min or 95°C (203F) for 10 min. Much longer than I have yet done.</p>
<p>&#8220;Generally, the addition of 2% of protein concentrates is considered adequate for amending the textural quality of yogurt.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The size of the inoculum was set at 2.5% (wt/wt).&#8221; So they added about 0.8 oz of starter to 1 qt of milk.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sensory evaluation revealed that the use of skim milk significantly improved (P &lt; 0.001) all of the examined quality characteristics. Non-fat yogurts were characterized by a firm, consistent, and viscous texture. Moreover, non-fat yogurts exhibited enhanced flavor and they were also rated as more palatable. Brauss et al. (1999) observed that low fat yogurts (0.2% fat) release volatiles more quickly and at higher intensity but with less persistence than whole fat yogurts.&quot; So they claim skim milk produces the best tasting yogurt. </p>
<p>&quot;Thus, yogurts fortified with SMP had enhanced firmness and consistency, good mouthfeel performance, and were less prone to syneresis.&quot; So adding 2% skim milk powder (dry non-fat milk) improved things all round.</p>
<p>&quot;In general, xanthan gum had the best stabilizing effect, enhancing firmness and consistency without developing brittleness or excessive gumminess. Moreover, xanthan addition prevented the wheying off defect.&quot; They added it at 0.01% and clearly specified that was by weight. </p>
<p>Finally, &quot;Skim yogurts containing skim milk powder or xanthan gum were found to be the most acceptable samples in terms of sensory quality.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.divinemind.biz/blog/2009/09/15/yogurt-thickening-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is another interesting reference for xanthan gum http://www.lucidgroup.com/knowledge-center/xanthan.pdf. It is mostly about the various ways and reasons it is used but at the very end they have a table &quot;Maximum usage level of xanthan gum in various food products&quot;. It includes &quot;Fermented milks (plain), heat-treated after fermentation&quot; which might include some kinds of yogurt. The maximum level in their table is 0.5%. Seems that indeed very little goes a long way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another interesting reference for xanthan gum <a href="http://www.lucidgroup.com/knowledge-center/xanthan.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.lucidgroup.com/knowledge-center/xanthan.pdf</a>. It is mostly about the various ways and reasons it is used but at the very end they have a table &#8220;Maximum usage level of xanthan gum in various food products&#8221;. It includes &#8220;Fermented milks (plain), heat-treated after fermentation&#8221; which might include some kinds of yogurt. The maximum level in their table is 0.5%. Seems that indeed very little goes a long way.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Gary!  I&#039;m a science geek so I always like hearing about any relevant research.  

For those who decide to click through to the link Gary provided above, &quot;syneresis&quot; means &quot;the extraction or expulsion of a liquid from a gel.&quot;  Full definition with some more science-y words at wikipedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syneresis_%28chemistry%29</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Gary!  I&#8217;m a science geek so I always like hearing about any relevant research.  </p>
<p>For those who decide to click through to the link Gary provided above, &#8220;syneresis&#8221; means &#8220;the extraction or expulsion of a liquid from a gel.&#8221;  Full definition with some more science-y words at wikipedia:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syneresis_%28chemistry%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syneresis_%28chemistry%29</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 22:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I&#039;d share an interesting reference on using xanthan gum in yogurt. Anyone can read the abstract at http://www.springerlink.com/content/98pgeum5wxpmg9x4/ and if you have access to a university library, as I do, you can read the article. It appears highly technical but the take away is xanthan gum used at 0.01% concentration (must be by weight) rated very highly. If I&#039;m doing the calculation correctly, 0.01% would be about 1/16 of a teaspoon in 1/2 gallon of milk. Robin&#039;s recipe is for a 0.7% concentration. Again, this is assuming I doing the math correctly and understanding this article far outside my discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I&#8217;d share an interesting reference on using xanthan gum in yogurt. Anyone can read the abstract at <a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/98pgeum5wxpmg9x4/" rel="nofollow">http://www.springerlink.com/content/98pgeum5wxpmg9&#215;4/</a> and if you have access to a university library, as I do, you can read the article. It appears highly technical but the take away is xanthan gum used at 0.01% concentration (must be by weight) rated very highly. If I&#8217;m doing the calculation correctly, 0.01% would be about 1/16 of a teaspoon in 1/2 gallon of milk. Robin&#8217;s recipe is for a 0.7% concentration. Again, this is assuming I doing the math correctly and understanding this article far outside my discipline.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gina,

If you&#039;re going to be adding probiotics &lt;em&gt;before &lt;/em&gt;starting the fermentation process, they would have to be the kind that turn milk into yogurt; otherwise they might out-compete the yogurt cultures and you&#039;d just end up with a soupy mess (if it even got to the point of being soupy).  If the probiotics are &lt;em&gt;not &lt;/em&gt;for culturing yogurt, then you&#039;d have to wait to add them until after the fermentation is complete.  

Once you have tried thickening with the agar-agar and/or the tapioca, I&#039;d be very interested in hearing about your results - not just the thickening results, but taste and texture as well.  I think there are a lot of people who would prefer not to use gelatin, for various reasons.  Personally, I have had uneven results with it - sometimes I&#039;ve ended up with little chunks of clear, tasteless jello in my yogurt, which is not the texture I was going for!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gina,</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to be adding probiotics <em>before </em>starting the fermentation process, they would have to be the kind that turn milk into yogurt; otherwise they might out-compete the yogurt cultures and you&#8217;d just end up with a soupy mess (if it even got to the point of being soupy).  If the probiotics are <em>not </em>for culturing yogurt, then you&#8217;d have to wait to add them until after the fermentation is complete.  </p>
<p>Once you have tried thickening with the agar-agar and/or the tapioca, I&#8217;d be very interested in hearing about your results &#8211; not just the thickening results, but taste and texture as well.  I think there are a lot of people who would prefer not to use gelatin, for various reasons.  Personally, I have had uneven results with it &#8211; sometimes I&#8217;ve ended up with little chunks of clear, tasteless jello in my yogurt, which is not the texture I was going for!</p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 04:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, all! Interesting discussion. I was wondering if I could add probiotics (best one I know is by Biotics research - BioDoph-7 Plus). But to thicken, I will try agar-agar, or even organic tapioca. The whey is  healthful and shouldn&#039;t be strained out and as a recovering vegetarian, I&#039;d be hard pressed to use commercial gelatin, mostly because its origins are sketchy.
I&#039;ll check back to see your comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, all! Interesting discussion. I was wondering if I could add probiotics (best one I know is by Biotics research &#8211; BioDoph-7 Plus). But to thicken, I will try agar-agar, or even organic tapioca. The whey is  healthful and shouldn&#8217;t be strained out and as a recovering vegetarian, I&#8217;d be hard pressed to use commercial gelatin, mostly because its origins are sketchy.<br />
I&#8217;ll check back to see your comments!</p>
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		<title>By: kristi</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use the knox to thicken my yogurt made in a crock pot. I use one gallon of whole milk and add three packs of knox.  The whey does seperate but is thickened.  Is it still ok to use in things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the knox to thicken my yogurt made in a crock pot. I use one gallon of whole milk and add three packs of knox.  The whey does seperate but is thickened.  Is it still ok to use in things.</p>
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		<title>By: Joni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about thickening with glycerin? I already use it for liqueurs and it works beautifully. I have a runny batch of yogurt made with the crock pot method that could use some improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about thickening with glycerin? I already use it for liqueurs and it works beautifully. I have a runny batch of yogurt made with the crock pot method that could use some improvement.</p>
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